Mr. Adnan Oktar’s interview with British author Graham Hancock on A9 TV (18 September, 2013)
Mr. Adnan Oktar’s interview with British
author Graham Hancock on A9 TV
(18 September, 2013; 23:30)
(18 September, 2013; 23:30)
OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening, viewers. We are continuing our
broadcast with a very distinguished guest. Mr. Graham Hancock from Great
Britain is with us. He is the author of books on ancient, lost civilizations.
His books appear on the international best sellers list. And his views
regarding ancient civilizations frequently appear in documentaries on leading
TV channels. Mr. Hancock’s books have been translated into 30 languages, and
more than 5 million have been sold across the world. These include The Sign and the Seal, The Quest for the Lost Ark of the Covenant.
He is in Turkey to take part in the archeological investigations at Göbeklitepe
in Şanlı Urfa.
Welcome Mr.
Hancock. Yes, Adnan Hodja.
ADNAN OKTAR: We are honored. I am delighted by your
visit. Insha’Allah, I hope we will learn useful information from you.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
I hope so. I’ll do my best.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. First let me ask how you are, your
health. You must be tired; you have come and gone to a number of places.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Well, yeah a little tired. I and my wife, she is a photographer, she is with
me. We spent the last three weeks in Turkey with the focus of our visit being
on the very mysterious, very ancient site of Gobeklitepe. And this site is, in
my opinion, the most important archeological site in the world. It rewrites
human history and it’s being a fantastic experience for us to be there. So the
work has been hard and it has been very positive.
ADNAN OKTAR: What attracted your attention in
Göbeklitepe? What was of interest there?
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
You see, what I have been known about as an author, I’ve been writing books for
30 years. And my subject has been, is it possible that we do not have the whole
story of human history, could there be something missing from the story about
our past that archeologists tell us. In short, I have been suggesting the
possibility of a lost civilization of Prehistoric antiquity. Now archeologists
say that civilization is 5000 or 6000 years old and that before that our ancestors
were in the Neolithic they were simple workers of stone, and before that they
were hunting gatherings. So it’s very extraordinary and difficult to
archeologists to explain why we have the site in Turkey, which is 12000 years
old, 7000 years older than the supposedly most ancient civilizations of Sumer
and ancient Egypt. And this site in Turkey Gobeklitepe is on an enormous scale.
And it required tremendous skill and a workmanship to put it together. So it’s
really a tremendous mystery.
ADNAN OKTAR: So the Stone Age is a myth. Is that right?
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Well, yes it is. It begins to show that we’re going to have to revise all our
ideas about human history. Because there was in Turkey 12000 years ago a
civilization, which was already old at that time. This is not when we see the
work at Gobeklitepe, it’s not something that they just invented overnight. They
must have been preparing and doing that work for thousand of years before that
time. So it strongly suggests that we are
missing a hugely important episode in
human history and the really solid evidence for that is provided by
Gobeklitepe.
And something else that’s interesting
about Gobeklitepe. This is the area not only do we see the oldest massive stone
work so far known to history in Gobeklitepe but also this is the area as far as
we know where agriculture begins. This is the home of agriculture. It’s a kind
of ground zero for architecture and for agriculture. And it seems like it’s an
ancient think-tank if you like or an ancient center of innovation where I think
is that mankind supposedly had never done for the being done for the first
time. And I feel that there is a story behind Gobeklitepe, which needs to be
told. That’s why I am so fascinated by the site and that’s why I’ve been
visiting it.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Let us look for the Ark of the
Prophet Solomon (pbuh) together.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Well yes, absolutely this is of course another interest of mine. The very first
book, I have been writing books for more than 30 years, but the very first book
I wrote about a historical mystery concerned the mystery of the Ark of the
Covenant that was my book called The Sign and Seal, which was published in
1992. And that book was my own personal quest for the truth about the Ark of
Covenant, and I believe that at least very important part of the story of the
Ark of Covenant must be thought in Ethiopia. Because there is an amazing
tradition concerning the Ark of the Convenant in Ethiopia.
ADNAN OKTAR: But one of the hadiths of our Prophet (saas)
says it is at the bottom of Lake Tiberius.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Well now you’re touching on very interesting issue which also concerns the
turmoil in the World today. Since all three of the monotheistic faiths
Christianity, Judaism and Islam all of them give a very important place to the
Ark of the Covenant. The Ark of the
Covenant is of great significance in Shia, Islam and the belief that the Mahdi must
recover the Ark of the Covenant and
bring it back into the world. At a time when there will be a final battle of
good against evil. For fundamentalist Jews, there is a belief that they need
the Ark of the Covenant in order to build the third temple in Jerusalem. And
for fundamentalist Christians, the Ark of the Covenant is referred to in the
Book of Revelation as one of the signs of the return of the recovery of
rediscovery of the Ark of the Covenant is taken as one of the signs of the
coming of the day of judgment then the
end of the world. So it is interesting that this very ancient object which goes
back to the time of the Temple of Solomon 3000 years ago or earlier really it’s
on the direct blueprint given by God to Moses that this very ancient object,
which was then installed in the temple of Solomon, and which then later became
lost. That its rediscovery in its return is focused upon by all three of the
great monotheistic faiths. Yes, there is a tradition that it is under the
waters of Lake Tiberias. I have a separate view, I don’t think that tradition
is necessarily the only one wish for.
There is a very powerful tradition in Ethiopia, that the Ark of the Covenant
has been there because God wants it to be there for a very long time, more than
2500 years.
ADNAN OKTAR: That is possible. We can look there, too. It
is also said to be in Antioch.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Can I say something now? Maybe we should consider not looking for it. After
all, if the fundamentalists branches all of these three religions see its
return as a sign of the end of the world, maybe it would be better if we didn’t
find it. Just a thought for your consideration.
ADNAN OKTAR: We will definitely find it. We will also
rebuild the Temple.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Let it then not be an instrument of war. Let it be a symbol of piece.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, that is how it will be. We will
rebuild the Temple, insha’Allah. We will build the temple of Solomon (pbuh). We
will rebuild the palace of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). Not just the Temple, but
also the palace. Identically. And we will find the Ark of the Covenant. And we
will find the sacred relics inside the Ark. Left over from that time, you know.
There is manna in a small measure, and we will find that, too. There is the
shirt of the Prophet Moses (pbuh), and his staff. Part of the tablets of the
Prophet Moses (pbuh) and several sacred relics. These are described in detail
here. The time has also come. Insha’Allah, we will find them.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Well I hope if we do find them. That mankind has the maturity, the wisdom and
the love to recognize the importance of this object without using it as a
source of division and separation.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, this will be a great movement
toward faith. People will admire Allah. They will see that what Allah says is
true. They will see that what is said in the holy books is also true. Everyone
will be in love with Allah. With the finding of the Ark of the Covenant, there
will be nobody left in the world who does not believe. Everyone will share that
joy and amazement, because the sacred relics inside it will also be found.
People will make peace, not war, when they see everything that Allah said coming
true. They will embrace one another and be friends. These things will happen,
insha’Allah.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
That is a hope devoutly to be wished for.
ADNAN OKTAR: The building of the Temple will be a source
of joy. The building of the palace of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) will be a
source of joy, and the finding of so many sacred relics will also be another
source of joy. But Allah will bestow all these things on Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh),
as a blessing from Him. I mean, this is something that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will
do. In other words, Moshiach, the Messiah, Shiloh. These sacred treasures will
be found by someone who appears as Moshiach in the Torah and as Hazrat Mahdi
(pbuh) in our own sources according to our belief.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
And is this man who will find the Ark of the Covenant, is he now in the world?
ADNAN OKTAR: in my opinion, he is living. Jesus the Messiah
(pbuh) is also alive. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), Moshiach, is also alive. Time is
over, and we are now at the end of the world.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
Do you feel that we’re close to the end of the world and the judgment day?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, the hadiths and statements by Said
Nursi say that the day or Reckoning will come in around 2120.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
And then what follows after that for those about sweet children who would like
a future for them?
ADNAN OKTAR: The world will all be brothers in this
century. All wars in the world will cease, conflicts will cease. Peace, love,
friendship and goodness will rule the world. There will be a huge explosion of
civilization. There will be huge advances in architecture, art and beauty.
Democracy will completely rule the world. Ideas and freedom will rule the
world. Women will come to the fore. Women’s rights will reach a peak. Women
will live freely and happily. Children will live freely and happily. This will
happen for the first and last time in this century. Then a major degeneration
will begin; very serious degeneration, and the Reckoning will come in around
2120. All these sources are also in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas), and in
the Torah and the Zohar, and they are indicated in the Gospels in the same way.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
I am still trying to understand so you’re saying an amazing period of universe
of harmony and love where the best human qualities come to the front but then
after that you’re saying that decline and corruption and judgment. Is that
right, do I understand correctly?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, after that will come degeneration and
then the Reckoning, insha’Allah. We are in the end times, insha’Allah.
Masha’Allah,
he is someone who knows, who knows better than I do, but he still asks. He is
someone who has performed deep research into these matters, someone with
spirituality, masha’Allah. These subjects are broad. So let us hold a special conversation.
Let us finish our chat and go into details, let us show the sources and have a
broad conversation.
Let that be
enough for today, insha’Allah.
GRAHAM HANCOCK:
I would look forward to the opportunity to have a private discussion and the
only thing that I would like to say is
let us hope for joy and beauty and peace
and love and harmony in this world that the universe has given us this
beautiful garden of our planet. Let us human beings take responsibility and
live good lives and love one another regardless of our nationality or our
religious beliefs.
ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. Right, let us finish and then
carry on, insha’Allah.
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